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@Flick You can go down the rabbit hole. It's interesting.

@Flick They even went back last year and raised the ramp - a key part of the evidence - and it was pretty much as the report hypothesized.

@Flick I think it was bureaucratic imcompetence leading to the usual information vacuum. The official report has not been meaningfully contested.

@Flick There's lots of conspiracies. Supposedly it was carrying something illicit.

@mntmn I love how far you've come with this project.

@feld I wonder if it is a sign of the wealth involved that they wasted no time in retrieval. There's no rush otherwise; everybody is dead.

@feld As I'm sure they'll tell you it's very dangerous. Divers get killed all the time attempting rescue and recovery.

In this case they surveyed and recorded every victim location for the coroner, and for what was assumed would be a recovery effort, but it never happened. They just left them in there. The dive team were quite confident they could do it.

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This is a saturation dive team exploring MS Estonia back in Winter 1994. Nothing graphic is shown (despite ~750 victims trapped in the hull) but it gives s great idea of the very difficult working conditions such teams face.
youtu.be/ACpsOTfEplg

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@kinetix The upvote system is like a turbocharger for derails.

Penetration diving and victim recovery is extremely hazardous. I am quite surprised they didn't attempt to raise the wreck and work on the surface. Glad they got them all out, for all that.
theguardian.com/world/article/

@eleanorrees I don't have anything to say other than I'm very sorry you're enduring this and hope things improve for you. This is just digital but we're always here.

@kinetix I despair when a really good discussion gets wrecked by comedians.

@kinetix It's always had the 'idiot king' problem, in that shit tends to be voted to the surface and it's all you see.

@SeventhMagpie Yes, there is also a pattern of deferring decisions to the internet hive-mind, which in the case of Reddit is somewhere between catastrophic and plain stupid.

It's the same with cars. "Should I buy xyz?" The internet isn't going to save you, bro.

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Exceedingly late to the party as always, but Giri/Haji is great stuff.

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