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@feld Is that the same person as the forum mod?

@Flick A large number of whom were never located; families literally no idea what happened.

@Flick A lot of the controversy arose from the fact they did not recover people, for little good reason. Raising it would be expensive, but it's nearly 800 people, ffs.

@phanecak Said Pandora, as she tried to close the box.

@Flick The main. lesson from it is, if you're on a ship and it looks like things are going bad, do not waste time getting out.

@Flick You can go down the rabbit hole. It's interesting.

@Flick They even went back last year and raised the ramp - a key part of the evidence - and it was pretty much as the report hypothesized.

@Flick I think it was bureaucratic imcompetence leading to the usual information vacuum. The official report has not been meaningfully contested.

@Flick There's lots of conspiracies. Supposedly it was carrying something illicit.

@mntmn I love how far you've come with this project.

@derekvanvliet@mastodon.social Hopefully that day is a long way off.

@feld I wonder if it is a sign of the wealth involved that they wasted no time in retrieval. There's no rush otherwise; everybody is dead.

@feld As I'm sure they'll tell you it's very dangerous. Divers get killed all the time attempting rescue and recovery.

In this case they surveyed and recorded every victim location for the coroner, and for what was assumed would be a recovery effort, but it never happened. They just left them in there. The dive team were quite confident they could do it.

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This is a saturation dive team exploring MS Estonia back in Winter 1994. Nothing graphic is shown (despite ~750 victims trapped in the hull) but it gives s great idea of the very difficult working conditions such teams face.
youtu.be/ACpsOTfEplg

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@kinetix@mycrowd.ca The upvote system is like a turbocharger for derails.

Penetration diving and victim recovery is extremely hazardous. I am quite surprised they didn't attempt to raise the wreck and work on the surface. Glad they got them all out, for all that.
theguardian.com/world/article/

@eleanorrees@mas.to I don't have anything to say other than I'm very sorry you're enduring this and hope things improve for you. This is just digital but we're always here.

@kinetix@mycrowd.ca I despair when a really good discussion gets wrecked by comedians.

@kinetix@mycrowd.ca It's always had the 'idiot king' problem, in that shit tends to be voted to the surface and it's all you see.

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